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Post by 96xjwheeler on Mar 21, 2007 21:42:13 GMT -5
I found a dana 44 out of a 87 grand wagoneer, its the same length and i believe the same length from perch to perch. im prob getting it this sat and i was wondering if anybody would be willing to help me this weekend and next weekend with getting it preped to put in my jeep, for instance cleaning it up and checking the brakes, prob pulling the shafts to make sure they are ok and then buying a new seal for the diff and making sure the gears are all good and what gears they are and if it has limited slip or not. you know just the basic, its has drum brakes that i think are a lil bigger then mine right now and i should be able to bolt it right under without doing anything to it. except for prep and clean it and all, please let me know if you can help, and or help me go get it and check it out before i buy and all to make sure its in good shape. PM me or email me at scottmatt89@msn.com Thanks Alot Matt
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Post by trebor on Mar 21, 2007 22:27:47 GMT -5
I found a dana 44 out of a 87 grand wagoneer, its the same length and i believe the same length from perch to perch. im prob getting it this sat and i was wondering if anybody would be willing to help me this weekend and next weekend with getting it preped to put in my jeep, for instance cleaning it up and checking the brakes, prob pulling the shafts to make sure they are ok and then buying a new seal for the diff and making sure the gears are all good and what gears they are and if it has limited slip or not. you know just the basic, its has drum brakes that i think are a lil bigger then mine right now and i should be able to bolt it right under without doing anything to it. except for prep and clean it and all, please let me know if you can help, and or help me go get it and check it out before i buy and all to make sure its in good shape. PM me or email me at scottmatt89@msn.com Thanks Alot Matt I think a grand chero (they are all cherokees no matter the options package)from 87 was a full size.Meaning wider trac.You also need to make sure the gear ratios are the same to match your front axle.Limited slip is easy to find out . Turn one side of the axle and see if the other side turns in the same direction.If not it is open diff.
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Post by zj95 on Mar 21, 2007 22:33:55 GMT -5
"grand wagoneer" not grand chero....
it is just a limited version of the chero..... ( the kind with 4 front headlights and wood siding)..
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Post by 96xjwheeler on Mar 21, 2007 22:37:47 GMT -5
its the grand wagoneer 87, i measured one and it came out to be 61 3/4" inch and 44" from perch to perch which is the same as my 35. the gears im not worried about cause im going to re-gear anyway so if its off then i just wont use 4x4 till i re-gear it, and limited slip i can find out hopefully
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Post by zj95 on Mar 21, 2007 22:46:42 GMT -5
u can find the gear ratio pretty easy just by turing the axle and counting the turns on the yoke...
im pretty sure it wont have a LS in it tho...
what are u regearing to?
look at all the axles u found, check the gear ratios... if u can get one with the desired gear in it for only $100-150 more u will be happy u got it... u will spend much more on gears and installation then if u just bought the right one outright...
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Post by trebor on Mar 21, 2007 22:51:07 GMT -5
here is a pic of a 87 grand wagoner. I think your talking about the regular wagoner DJ.Thats is xj based.the grand wagoner was based on the SJ plat form If you got a 44 from a wagoner Matt that is the same its probably not from the grand.
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Post by zj95 on Mar 21, 2007 22:51:27 GMT -5
also... im just wonderin if anyone can get me a pic of a d44 from a chero
im pretty sure my buddy has one in his wagoneer, ( it is an 87), but it doesnt seem that special...
the tubes are tiny, (just as small as the d35c)
what are the spline counts in these?
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Post by zj95 on Mar 21, 2007 22:54:36 GMT -5
yeah sorry.... i had a brain fart...... regular wagoneer LIKE THIS....
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Post by 96xjwheeler on Mar 21, 2007 22:58:51 GMT -5
um the only one that had upgraded gears was 4.11 which im going 4.56 or 4.88 prob. and i dont think i have ever found 4.11 for a 30 up front. um either way either the grand or not it was the right length and the right perches im 99.9% sure, im going back to get it sat and if its not the right one then there was another one at a different yard for 250 and i know for sure it is a 44 that will fit, cause it was out of a cherokee that looked like mine just a earlier year. um i can prob get u a pic, what year did u want it out of? if u go onto accuautoparts.com and click on axles and gears and then run threw the steps to find the car u want it will tell u want it would of came with and the optional axles and all. the splines on the 44 out of a grand wagoneer are 30
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Post by 96xjwheeler on Mar 21, 2007 23:00:30 GMT -5
if thats a regular 87 wagoneer DJ then its not out of that its out of the 87 grand wagoneer cause it looked like the other one.
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Post by 96xjwheeler on Mar 21, 2007 23:04:13 GMT -5
the 87 wagonner DJ either has a 35 or 8.25 stock unles it was upgraded or at least thats what accuautoparts is telling me
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Post by zj95 on Mar 21, 2007 23:17:40 GMT -5
no the 87's came with a 44 or a 35..
but.. i agrre with robbert, i dont think a grand wagoneer will work for your jeep..... u need to double check that...
what tire size u planning on running?
as for the axle with 4.11's .... u can get 4.11's for the d30 or u can get 4.10 gears for the d30 and be alright... as long as the gear ratio's are withen 1% of each other...
you will find that alot of vehicals come with slightly different ratios front and rear.. ( I.E.Ford trucks)
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Post by 96xjwheeler on Mar 21, 2007 23:22:20 GMT -5
oh i thought it was 35 or 8.25 for the wagoneer. oh well it looked like it would work it looked just like mine and looked like it would bolt right under and everything was the same. ill double check when i go this weekend and if not then i can another one for 250 and it may have 4.11 in it. um after the swap and tie rod and drag link im prob going to run 35's. oh alright thanks sweet
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Post by trebor on Mar 21, 2007 23:23:58 GMT -5
Also you will need to do something with the bolt pattern for your wheels grand wagoners are six bolt.
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Post by 96xjwheeler on Mar 21, 2007 23:26:18 GMT -5
well when i looked at this grand wagonner im pretty sure it already had a 5 bolt on it, but i may be wrong, it may be a lil different then i think. but even then i drive down the road and i can get one out of a cherokee for sure, that is all set up it will just be 250
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Post by 96xjwheeler on Mar 21, 2007 23:30:52 GMT -5
well i may be wrong about this wagoneer one and it may not be exactally what i thought, like u are saying it may be longer and it may be a 6 bolt. if it comes to that then i have another one in line thats 250 that comes out of a cherokee like mine just a earlier year and it will definitly bolt under and be 5 bolt and it may be the one with 4.11's
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Post by trebor on Mar 21, 2007 23:32:41 GMT -5
well i may be wrong about this wagoneer one and it may not be exactally what i thought, like u are saying it may be longer and it may be a 6 bolt. if it comes to that then i have another one in line thats 250 that comes out of a cherokee like mine just a earlier year and it will definitly bolt under and be 5 bolt and it may be the one with 4.11's Go for the one out of a xj you will be safe that way
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Post by zj95 on Mar 21, 2007 23:32:58 GMT -5
sounds good...
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Post by 96xjwheeler on Mar 21, 2007 23:38:05 GMT -5
yeah thats what i was figuring, i mean im going to go look at the one from the wagoneer and sit under it for a lil and measure and everything, and make 110% sure it would fit, and that its a 5 bolt, and if not then ill get the one out of the xj with 4.11's and hopefully everything will work u know thanks for the help guys if u have any other advice call me or IM me, i can use it all. hope to talk about all this tomorrow to so i can see everyones take on it and all, ill try and call tomorrow and see if its a 5 bolt, thanks again
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Post by 96xjwheeler on Mar 21, 2007 23:50:03 GMT -5
i can still use everyones opinions and all and get all the knowledge possible and make sure i do this right and get the right one, if u have anything just let me know thanks alot
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Post by bigredxj on Mar 22, 2007 12:05:04 GMT -5
Even if the Waggy D44 were converted to 5 lug, it would be a 5 1/2" bolt circle, and the XJs stock have 4 1/2" bolt circle, so you still wouldn't be able to use your original wheels. They're spring under, so you'd have to cut the perches off & weld new ones on top of the axle to run em on your XJ.
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Post by 96xjwheeler on Mar 22, 2007 14:16:14 GMT -5
thanks, i could of sworn the one i looked at was spring over though but i may be wrong, who knows i got about 6 in line that i could buy so im set if that one doesnt work
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Post by zjeep on Mar 22, 2007 18:05:30 GMT -5
Buy the one from the XJ save yourself the trouble of even having to mess with perches and everything if its a complete bolt on swap the extra money spent will be WELL WORTH IT!!! get the 44 out of another XJ
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Post by 96xjwheeler on Mar 22, 2007 21:23:47 GMT -5
thats what i was planning on doing, im going to look at the wagoneer one and see if its spring over and 5 bolt cause i could of sworn it was and if it isnt then im getting the one from the xj, cause if its spring over and 5 bolt then its right for mine but im not sure so ill look and if not then the xj one and ready to prep
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Post by trebor on Mar 22, 2007 21:30:12 GMT -5
thats what i was planning on doing, im going to look at the wagoneer one and see if its spring over and 5 bolt cause i could of sworn it was and if it isnt then im getting the one from the xj, cause if its spring over and 5 bolt then its right for mine but im not sure so ill look and if not then the xj one and ready to prep Spring over and 5 bolt not likely.Remember not all 5 bolts are the same pattern
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Post by zj95 on Mar 22, 2007 21:31:27 GMT -5
u also need to keep in mind the wms to wms measurement..(wheel mounting surface)
the one out of the grand wagoneer is a wider axle than yours (if it really is a grand wagoneer)... i garantee it
just save the trouble and get the xj one....
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Post by 96xjwheeler on Mar 22, 2007 23:08:44 GMT -5
i know im going to look at them both, the one from the grand is like 1/4 mile=3 secs from the other place where the one out of the xj is. so im just going to make sure that the grand wagonner wont work, but if it will then im getting it, but if it wont then ill drive the 30 secs to get the other one u know
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Post by 96xjwheeler on Mar 24, 2007 17:11:27 GMT -5
Gay didnt get my axle today cause the place closed about 5 or 10 mins before i got there, what kind of stuf is that. gotta get it next week
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Post by trebor on Mar 24, 2007 17:22:08 GMT -5
Gay didnt get my axle today cause the place closed about 5 or 10 mins before i got there, what kind of stuf is that. gotta get it next week Who's gay?you lol.just kidding buddy.Ya i never have figured out why businesses never try to accommodate the working man that works the 9 to 5 all week and only have the weekends to do things
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Post by zulu on Mar 24, 2007 21:34:45 GMT -5
My wifes 87 wagoneer {downsized} is spring over, and the grand wagoneer {fullsize} is also spring over in the back, the fronts are spring under. If it has 6 lugs, it is a fullsize, if have 5 lugs then out of a downsized.
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